tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post7306814632738724010..comments2024-01-30T12:13:22.632-05:00Comments on Don Mills Diva: Sure you'd take a bullet for your kid. How about someone else's?Don Mills Divahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03733674458423525738noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-44570445793561162432008-08-14T20:36:00.000-04:002008-08-14T20:36:00.000-04:00I've just recently re-entered real life, after two...I've just recently re-entered real life, after two weeks on vacation. Somehow I missed hearing about this horrific event.<BR/><BR/>I would like to think that I would act on my first instinct, which is to help someone in trouble.<BR/><BR/>But I have to say, if my child was with me, my first thought would be to get her to safety.KathyLikesPinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07390044790753392243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-30932864783017043542008-08-11T10:09:00.000-04:002008-08-11T10:09:00.000-04:00What a horrible thing! It wasn't reported on here ...What a horrible thing! It wasn't reported on here so this is the first I've heard of it.<BR/><BR/>To be honest I don't know what I'd do in that situation. I don't think I'd have a snowballs chance at defending myself against someone with a knife let alone defending someone else.<BR/><BR/>That said, I did step in between a man and the son he was beating during pregnancy. It wasn't until later that I realized how badly I could have come out of that situation. I don't know if I could do it for an adult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-26253892624743906742008-08-09T01:27:00.000-04:002008-08-09T01:27:00.000-04:00I've left you an award! You may already have it, b...I've left you an award! You may already have it, but just consider yourself that much more 'brillante'Aprilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12051174636017409935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-12294449752472599642008-08-08T12:10:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:10:00.000-04:00I'm with you 100% on fighting tooth & nail...I'm with you 100% on fighting tooth & nail for my kid. But you threw me for a loop with what I would do for a complete stranger. What a horrible, horrible story. I too hope I would jump in instictively, but part of me wonders if I too would hide & hope that someone else would step up to the plate. I guess I wouldn't want to jump up because I have a family at home that I need to care for. But really, that doesn't make me any more valuable than the next person, you know? Tough stuff!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17769967354682232429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-31571687664496593592008-08-08T10:20:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:20:00.000-04:00I think if I saw a child in danger I would instinc...I think if I saw a child in danger I would instinctively act to save it. Take a bullet? I don't know, but if I saw a child about to be hit by a car I'm sure I'd try to scoop it out of the way. <BR/><BR/>For me, though, this situation is very different. I would be an unarmed woman against a killer with a knife. I would run.<BR/><BR/>What a horrifying story. I hadn't heard it before. I feel particularly sad for the children who were there. I hope they get some therapy.Threeundertwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07841404786048246834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-30267652992225615332008-08-08T08:34:00.000-04:002008-08-08T08:34:00.000-04:00I didn't read all the comments here but this is my...I didn't read all the comments here but this is my thought;<BR/><BR/>No. I wouldn't. That sounds harsh but it's true. I would not take the bullet for another child unless he or she is mine. I am a wife and a mother. Yes, it's terrible to lose a child. Luckly I haven't had to feel that. However, I am not going to put myself in harms way in hopes that someone is saved. Why would I leave my children and husband withot me? <BR/><BR/>I couldn't guarantee that I would help the situation. For all I know I could end up dead along with the person I was trying to save. And yes, someone could turn around and say "well it could go the other way too". Yep it could. But why the hell would I risk that?Alex @ I'm the Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584992691549317812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-82468140513926072162008-08-07T20:52:00.000-04:002008-08-07T20:52:00.000-04:00Really thought-provoking post. I just can't believ...Really thought-provoking post. I just can't believe the number of commenters who've said, "this is why I don't read the news." Ignorance is bliss, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-51436782992883624532008-08-07T15:40:00.000-04:002008-08-07T15:40:00.000-04:00My first reaction was to wonder why no one helped,...My first reaction was to wonder why no one helped, too, but by the time I actually read an article on it, it sounded pretty clear that the attacker was way crazy, that the boy was unlikely to survive, and that the most prudent thing in the situation was to clear the other passengers out to avoid anyone else getting hurt. Instinct is not always prudent, of course, but maybe in this case the panic response was right to clear out.kittenpiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05215443551546036909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-20878547169838231042008-08-07T11:23:00.000-04:002008-08-07T11:23:00.000-04:00Yes. Yes. Yes. We as members of this species have ...Yes. Yes. Yes. We as members of this species have a moral and ethical obligation to help another in need. Period. I firmly believe that PART of the reason we have such an increasing number of horrific things happening in this world are because criminal know well that no one is going to do anything to stop them. I maybe would not feel so strongly about this had we not had an incident a month ago at my own house where we had someone enter my home in the dead of night; not one f*%&ing person in our quiet little neighborhood came outside when they heard my daughter screaming her head off outside. Not one person even opened their door to see what was going on when the house was surrounded by police. On Sunday morning a 25 year old man was beaten TO DEATH with a baseball bat, his wife was also beaten, in similar circumstances. Yeah-I could do something to help someone else in a dangerous situation. Maybe I wouldn't have two months ago, I don't know. But there is not a doubt in my mind that I could now, unless it meant potentially harming my kids.Korihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17523892197119604721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-82871025976277862062008-08-07T00:37:00.000-04:002008-08-07T00:37:00.000-04:00I knew the second my first son was born that there...I knew the second my first son was born that there was nothing I wouldn't do to save his life. It was at that moment that I understood that willingness to die for someone. <BR/><BR/>Stranger? I don't know. It's one of those things you don't know until you're in the moment, I would imagine.Tootsie Farklepantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18336671002327112885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-82272390250466442472008-08-06T20:37:00.000-04:002008-08-06T20:37:00.000-04:00I'd have run. Sad to say, but true. I'm such a wim...I'd have run. Sad to say, but true. I'm such a wimp. BUT, if my kids were involved, totally the opposite. I'd have fought until the death...so tell me why I'd run on someone else's child?Leannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592530066607069238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-68762979047285130302008-08-06T20:11:00.000-04:002008-08-06T20:11:00.000-04:00I have no idea what I'd do. If there was a chance ...I have no idea what I'd do. If there was a chance of overcoming the man, I think I would. But me alone? Against a guy with a machete or hunting knife? I'd probably die too, and not that that's a horrible thing, to go trying to save a life, but I dunno...Maríahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11222253058280821035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-27676398005810870722008-08-06T20:02:00.000-04:002008-08-06T20:02:00.000-04:00I would intervene - I am not one to stand by - for...I would intervene - I am not one to stand by - for anything - I would intervene.<BR/><BR/>Nice to see you, Kelly - take care - KellanKellanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07882991320065439298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-20250206010253652992008-08-06T19:59:00.000-04:002008-08-06T19:59:00.000-04:00Maybe I should start watching the news again. Thi...Maybe I should start watching the news again. This is just crazy! I really don't know what I would have done if faced with that much psycho. Everyone means something to someone.erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12037675094496432805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-91932539423426932412008-08-06T18:17:00.000-04:002008-08-06T18:17:00.000-04:00As a parent I don't think I would intervene if my ...As a parent I don't think I would intervene if my life would be in jeopardy. I don't think it would be fair for MY kids to grow up without a mother bc I saved or tried to save someone else's kid. Maybe that's selfish bc I would certainly hope that someone would intervene if my child was the one being attacked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-16730515819552366732008-08-06T16:16:00.000-04:002008-08-06T16:16:00.000-04:00A tough question for sure.A tough question for sure.Damselflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00139191935886860839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-48515240939778787972008-08-06T16:13:00.000-04:002008-08-06T16:13:00.000-04:00To be honest I wouldn't interfere with someone tha...To be honest I wouldn't interfere with someone that obviously deranged. Saving myself for the sake of my girls is more important to me. I have interjected before, and even once did the heimlich on a choking grandma on the TTC. The grandma was mad at me afterwards for hurting her, though I know deep down I saved her life. <BR/><BR/>That bus incident is awful, and reminds me of how scary a world we live in. I'll be crawling back into my safe little hole now...Janice @ Mom On The Runhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09735352385254734298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-57269915798821760872008-08-06T15:39:00.000-04:002008-08-06T15:39:00.000-04:00I had not heard of this either and I just cannot e...I had not heard of this either and I just cannot even wrap my brain (nor do I really want to, I confess) around this horrific crime. What a nightmare and what a barbaric crime. It is just unimaginable. I have no idea what I would have done in the situation. I'm sure it was such a complete shock/freak thing that most people initially panicked and by the time they startled awake to the reality of what was happening, it was too late.<BR/><BR/>Heartbreaking...just heartbreaking.BlondeMomBlog (Jamie)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11678207937709971411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-28879000485864593762008-08-06T15:27:00.000-04:002008-08-06T15:27:00.000-04:00I hadn't even read the article when I first commen...I hadn't even read the article when I first commented.... now I just want to unknow it... <BR/><BR/>How can anyone blame the poor people on the bus... they are all victims.. and the fact that a child witnessed this... that will haunt me...Cristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278630444931205359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-87393358402776921022008-08-06T15:19:00.000-04:002008-08-06T15:19:00.000-04:00It is amazingly sad and disturbing...the guy seate...It is amazingly sad and disturbing...the guy seated in front of the acused murderer/AKA SCUM BAG said most people were sleeping with headphones on and at first did not realize what was going on....<BR/><BR/>It is so sad.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08122365458052947125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-63010466597422305022008-08-06T15:13:00.000-04:002008-08-06T15:13:00.000-04:00I didn't read all the comments, but this is a ques...I didn't read all the comments, but this is a question social psychologists have been trying to answer for decades, and it seems to be related to group processes more than the hearts or self-interest of the witnesses:<BR/><BR/>Oddly, if there is only one, or a few, witnesses, a person is more likely to be helped than if there are masses of witnesses. BUT if in a large group of witnesses, ONE person takes action, others are more likely to follow suit and help also.Jennifer @ Fruit of My Handshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11479983078312955832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-78150578240096488152008-08-06T14:49:00.000-04:002008-08-06T14:49:00.000-04:00I was absolutely horrified when I read that story ...I was absolutely horrified when I read that story yesterday. I did wonder why no one intervened...but I didn't realize that there was a huge debate about it. I honestly don't know what I'd have done. I like to think that I'd have tried to intervene, but the truth is, I'm not so sure. Maybe that makes me a coward. But I think I'd have to actually be there to see how I reacted.Jainahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05666481569069955190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-15803474249564135682008-08-06T13:25:00.000-04:002008-08-06T13:25:00.000-04:00I honestly have felt irritated that people feel so...I honestly have felt irritated that people feel so strongly that 'someone' should have done something. From what I have read, by the time anyone realized what was going on, the poor boy didn't have a chance. So then the question was, how do we save everyone else? Well, we get the driver to stop the bus so everyone can escape. <BR/>The man wielding the knife was full of cuts and scrapes, attacking with a knife is in no way pretty, and going after someone with a knife to disarm him is almost guaranteeing that you will be seriously cut, if not killed. Even the police didn't rush in there to disarm him, there was a five hour stand-off. <BR/>After doing his job, which was ensuring the safety of his passengers, the driver and others tried to help, but were unable to without being attacked themselves. <BR/><BR/>For myself, wrong or not, I think of my family first. Keeping my children safe, not taking unnecessary risks with my own life either. They need me. <BR/>I like to think that if I thought I could help someone, I would. I am sure I would. I just don't know what I could do in that situation. I would have stepped between them if it had been my child, but for a stranger, unfortunately, I don't know that I would give my life that easily. I have a responsibility to my family first, over and above my responsibility to the community at large. <BR/>Maybe a large group of people, given the right circumstances, could intervene in that situation and save a life. But how do you organize that in the split second it takes someone to stab another person with a knife?<BR/>How do you possibly do that in the confined quarters of a bus? Without a weapon?<BR/>Maybe someone behind him could have knocked him over the head with something? Maybe. But maybe the thinking was to save as many people as possible. Horrific as that is for the poor boy who lost his life, and his family. His poor family, my heart breaks for them. <BR/>Oh, the news here is saying that it is looking like the killer premeditated this attack, that he had some sort of beef with the boy from the time he spent here at the exposition. I have to say that the idea of someone planning that attack is even more horrific to me than the thought that he just snapped and went crazy.Mighty Morphin' Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244716672872427829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-30041739448129224322008-08-06T12:53:00.000-04:002008-08-06T12:53:00.000-04:00I was actually in Winnipeg when I head about this....I was actually in Winnipeg when I head about this. My friend was telling me and I was shocked at the words coming out of her mouth...the fact that this unspeakable horror actually happened is the tragedy not what people who were witnessing it first hand actually did. It saddens me that people are judging those on the bus. How can we even think about judging them? What they need is our support. They are changed for life having seen such horrific mutilation first hand.<BR/><BR/>I have grappled with what I think I would have done too. But all I can think of is that if I had been on that bus with my kids....I would have gotten the hell out of there ASAP. I can't even get past that to think what I might have done had I been there with no kids....Kamis Khlopchykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10891667631830654830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-454432385331536006.post-19097009675168579342008-08-06T12:43:00.000-04:002008-08-06T12:43:00.000-04:00It is something straight from a twisted nightmare....It is something straight from a twisted nightmare. <BR/><BR/>If it was a child, and it was POSSIBLE to save his or her life, I think I'd have tried. <BR/><BR/>I think he was dead as soon as people realized what was happening. I'd have fled, too, in that case.Kylahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03311014761113076785noreply@blogger.com